BETWEEN THOUGHT AND EXPRESSION LIES CONVERSATION

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on Monday, April 12th, 2010

Before this post, a full disclosure: I have sat on numerous panels in the last year, including Woodstock, SXSW, the Conversation NYC, and the IFP’s Script to Screen. Many of these panels have had something to do with “new models” or “the future of independent film.” My panel at Script to Screen was different because it was simply a one-on-one with writer/director Terry George, and it gave me some of the best advice: when trying to write seriously, disconnect your internet router and pack it away.

In my experience sometimes panels can be really stimulating and provocative, and sometimes they can be full of hot air. I remember once, a long time ago, being excited by a New York Festival of the Arts panel at NYU scheduled to feature both Jean-Luc Godard and Bernardo Bertolucci. I bought tickets but when I arrived they had been replaced by Arthur Penn and Sidney Lumet. No slouches, but the panel, also featuring Martin Scorsese, turned into a long and rambling “recalling the good ol’ days of NYC exhibition” gabfest (“Marty, remember that old place down on Grand Street…”) instead of what I imagined would be more provocative and political discussion.

Still, I have gotten things out of panels. Once I was approached following one by a pair of first-time film producer/financiers. They had money they wanted to put into film and did I have anything? I sent them a script and they put $1.8 million into it.

Over the weekend I was sent a link to Vadim Rizov’s “When the Conversation Stops” over at GreenCine by a filmmaker who said he totally agreed with it. If you haven’t heard about this piece, which caused a mini ruckus on Twitter over the weekend, Rizov calls out the current wave of panels, how-to seminars and networking events aggregated under the mission of defining new business models for indie film as a gigantic time suck.

From Rizov:

On the other hand: the professionalization of indie film — accelerated by the proliferation of innumerable internet technologies designed, one way or another, to promote networking, all shooting it out with each other — has led to a kind of parody of normal Hollywood business gossip. The assumption seems to be that now that the vast public has been trained to care about box-office receipts, maybe previously tough-sell indies can reach the same status by marketing themselves aggressively, even before they come out (an especially bad idea: the “story” behind your movie is just as important a tool as, say, a positive review).

Hence the increasing popularity of panels and conferences designed to reassure participants that they’re doing it right. The problem here is that the collective noise behind “business” will drown out discussion of the films themselves. Vladimir Nabokov once snidely noted that “Intellectuals do not join collectives,” and the same message could be valuable for directors: when you’re producing and directing and spending more time hyping your movie and yourself rather than thinking about the work — even if that’s the only pragmatic paradigm you’ve been offered — something’s probably gone wrong somewhere.

(Ironically, my lunch-time seminar at The Conversation, which I shared with Eugene Hernandez of Indiewire, was: “How to Prevent the Artistic Identity of Your Film from Being Overwhelmed by Social Media Chatter.” I can’t say we came up with a solution. But we did talk about it.)

Despite the fact that, as noted, I have sat on some of these panels and have thus contributed to them some amount of hot air, I’m glad Vadim wrote this piece, and I recommend you read it. Unlike him, I don’t want to “spit bile” at these events. But I do worry that some people are attending them in the belief that a “new model” will be explained. For the majority of independent filmmakers there is no new model and there will never be one. What there is is a set of tactics and strategies specific to this historical moment that can be employed in different percentages and with different degrees of dedication by filmmakers whose work is, ultimately, quite different from one another’s. For filmmakers unaware of some of what’s going on (and there are more than you think), these events can be good to attend — even if the filmmaker winds up later rejected that received wisdom.

One thing that some (including me) can find dispiriting about all these panel events: as Rizov notes, the business talk can drown out any talk of the art. Well, every industry has its trade events. The thing is, directors aren’t expected to go to ShoWest (at least the ones who aren’t publicizing a film aren’t). Executives, theater owners and bookers attend these things. But in the independent film world directors are told to wear many hats. They have to do their own development, fundraising and now marketing and exhibition and thus can be bored/alienated/overwhelmed/disinterested by these conversations they believe they should be attending. There is another side to these events, though — one that has been cited on the various comments threads at the links included here. You meet good people. The conversations — useful and sometimes consoling — you have with them aren’t reported on blogs, but they are as much a part of the events as all the official stuff. Also, it’s not like these events are only full of directors. There are producers, curators, distributors and VCs there in addition to people who are approaching new media content from the game, journalism and mobile industries. For some, that cross-pollination is exciting; for others, it’s simply noise and a distraction from artistic focus.

At the Conversation NYC, I ran into a friend who I really only see at these events. We went down the street for coffee, and I said to her (wearing my producer hat), “I’ve gone to so many of these events recently I feel like I just need to stop talking and actually make some stuff.” “I’m hearing that from a lot of people,” she replied. Like the internet router, sometimes the conversation has to be disconnected. Or: praxis is the hardest part.

If after reading Rizov’s piece you’d like to continue with his line of thought but with more revolutionary fervor, check out Michael Tully’s “Take Back Manifesto,” which cries: “We call for a ban of the conversations/panels/symposiums/etc. about ‘How To Market Your Indie Movie In The New Media World!’ until at least 2012, when these troubles will naturally work themselves out.”

UPDATE: Over at the IFP blog, Laure Parsons has related thoughts anchored by a response to Smriti Mundhra’s piece at Truly Free Film in which she quoted Ira Deutchman (who, in turn, was quoting a third party) saying that independent film “is not a business but a hobby.” Parsons’ piece is entitled “At Least Hobbies are Fun.”

An excerpt:

But there is a reality, it seems to me, that is missing from the discussion. Selling independent films is not and never was a “business model” (or- if you wish- not a ‘good’ business model), in the context that making these films should be the basis for a lucrative career using the principles of an MBA program. A good business model takes into account what the consumer wants and tries to give them that. It does not find something that one personally likes and then tries to make other people care about it, which is something more like patronage.

Because of the economics around film, and the way independent film distribution evolved out of foreign film distribution, there was some perception that independent films had some kind of commercial viability in aggregate and that if you just came up with the right formula, you could find a pleasing margin.

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  • Josh

    Scott, I was hoping you’d write something about the Tully and Rizov pieces. I think you make a lot of good points — especially the one about the social component to these panel events.

    One thing I’ve been thinking about in connection with all this: there seems to be a big difference between indie film and indie music here. While there are no doubt panels for indie musicians to attend (esp. at SXSW), it’s not to the same crazy degree as for indie filmmakers. Indie bands and artists don’t generally sit on panels talking about how they made their record, how they distributed it, what their deal was, etc. I’m not sure what to make of this — I just bring it up because I think, as a film person, it’s generally interesting to look at what music folks are up to. The difference might be due to the fact that indie musicians have another activity to engage in — i.e., they tour and play gigs. Musicians can connect with their audiences all year long and be engaged in their art all year long — whereas filmmakers get to make films only sporadically, and connect with an audience equally sporadically. I’m not saying that sitting on panels or attending panels is the equivalent of touring, but it might help explain why the indie film world seems to love these events so much…

  • http://infinicine.com Laure

    Hi Scott- thanks for linking my post. I wanted to comment on the sentiments expressed by Vadim. I find that I relate to the feeling while at conferences that panels and such are boring, repetitive, uniformational and frustrating, including ones I’ve been moderating. That said, the support and camaraderie these events offer makes them bearable- and I’m always surprised at the end to hear lots of people saying how useful they found the experience.

  • http://incitecinema.com/blog Mark Lipsky

    Hey Scott – I recently launched a blog whose inaugural post has relevance here… http://incitecinema.com/blog/?p=21

  • Scott Macaulay

    Thanks for the comments. Mark, nice blog and yes, it is a new age. Laure, you make a great point. It’s easy to criticize the events but I know for a fact that many who attend feel that they’ve gotten a lot out of them. Like I said in the post, I think the way that these conferences conflate art and business issues leave the people desiring more art feeling shortchanged. I think some people feel that by marrying ideas of content (i.e., things should be transmedia-able, etc.) to statements about technological change, some people feel that these events dismiss a still vital form of art filmmaking on the basis of it being old fashioned. So there’s pushback. Josh, I’m not as plugged into the business side of the music scene to judge. I do know that SXSW and CMJ have panel events very similar to these recent film panel events. I think the indie world is into these events simply because they offer alternatives to fretting about the collapse of old-fashioned models. A lot of filmmakers are surprisingly late to the game when it comes to understanding both how a new generation receives media but also the economic implications of web 2.0.

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  • http://saskiawilsonbrown.com saskia Wilson-Brown

    I too feel a greater desire toward action than talk- and have expressed this to many sympathetic ears in our little industry. I also often find the ‘conversation’ repetitive, soulless (‘personal brand’? gag!)… and underwhelming.

    However, I’ve thought about this a bit and I realize my reaction comes from a place of privilege. I am bored because I am in the conversation, as it were. But what about some kid from Dubuque or the Bronx who is exposed to these ideas for the first time?

    Right or wrong, ego-driven or arts-driven, when sifted through the chatter also contains a lot of empowering messages for creatives of all stripes. For that reason alone, I think we should all carry onand stop second-guessing ourselves too much.

  • http://www.angelobell.com Angelo Bell

    Wow! Scott, old buddy, you’ve added clarity and confirmation to thoughts I’ve struggled with for the past few months. Particularly the excerpts of Rizov and Parsons. Of particular note is the the “evolution of independent film from foreign film distribution” which speaks to the emergence and restrictive “niche-ing” — if you will — of American independent film. There’s a big world out there, and while I’m reluctant to think of my filmmaking endeavors as a “hobby” I am troubled by my inability to call it anything else, for when I was a professional IT guy I made mad sums of money (from day 1) in the industry I’d chosen as my profession. As a filmmaker I find my self waiting months and years for any dollars to appear. Not that I am dissuaded mind you, but I think it’s time for us filmmakers to collectively get real with what we want to achieve from our creative efforts, and decide what we are willing to do (i.e. what concessions must be made) to be successful from a *business* standpoint.

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  • Dan Mirvish

    Wow, hard to believe there’s this much passion in a comment thread for a blogpost responding to a Twitter discussion about the value of panels that discuss using social media to promote your film! What’s wrong with this picture? That said, I, for one, love participating in panels at film festivals and other places. Of course, the trick is to do something fun at the panel – like this year when I hosted Sladmance’s annual Hot Tub Summit with Jon Reiss and Paul Rachman: the wettest panel discussion in Park City. My feeling is that if you and the panelists aren’t pruned and mostly naked, it’s probably not worth attending. (I just found this pic online http://www.flickr.com/photos/renolauren/4328147145/) Scott, I really like your point that some of the best things you get from a panel aren’t what’s discussed, but who you meet – I’ve had the same experience – from both participating in and listening to panels. That said, who exactly are those people with $1.8 million and do they have any more?

  • Mark

    You’re right it’s all about the people you meet. But also th panel haters have set up a false confrontation. You can go to panels and also make things. And the peopl I know from several panels are among the most active people I know. I myself am making a feature film…

    Beside I there is one thing less useful than a panel it’s a blog rant against panels.

  • Scott Macaulay

    Thanks, everyone, for the comments.

    Saskia, I agree that our perspectives — and the perspectives of critics — are skewed by our easy access to these events. At each one I’m sure there are people attending for the first time and their ability to engage colleagues on these topics face to face is empowering. I think it’s like a lot of things — you can criticize to make things better, but you can’t forget that what might be old for you is new to someone else.

    Angelo: You have touched on some interesting topics in your reply. Where do you think you stand on the question of “making concessions” for business success? The reason I ask is that your reply reminded me of a panel I sat on in Cannes once with a well known producer. He had a studio development deal, and I asked him on the panel what he did if he developed something he was particularly excited about and the studio he had his deal at passed. He said he just moved on — that his business was essentially developing material that the people who paid his overhead wanted to make. Independent film often is the opposite — making something despite the fact that no one else (at least at the outset) wants to make it. While I wouldn’t use the term “hobby” (although a colleague and well known producer told me not too long ago that he considers his film work a hobby) to describe what I do as a producer, there are projects that I stick with for purely artistic and not marketplace reasons.

    Dan: Those $1.8 million people have pretty much left the business, I think. (The film they invested in more or less broke even, so it wasn’t because of that. But they had their own investors they brought into the project and the largest one got wiped out in the dotcom crash.)

    Mark: Yes, I think it’s a false confrontation in some ways, but I also think Vadim touched on some good points which is that people who are primarily making something for artistic, social, political or even ego-driven reasons shouldn’t be seduced into thinking that they are making it under the guise of a new business paradigm that doesn’t really exist.

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